Talk:Dieppe Raid

Canadian English

Why has this article been converted to Canadian English. It was, and is, more correctly in British English, as an article on a Commonwealth operation controlled by the British high command......Enderwigginau (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, why was this changed from British English? I intend on changing it back if there are no significant reasons as to why it was changed in the first place. Being a Canadian editor, or because the main forces involved were Canadian are not significant reasons. It should be in British English as mentioned above. Enderwigginau (talk) 05:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Which are the instances of Canadian English in the text that aren't British English? GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I’m tied up for the moment but will reply to the « why » question soon. Request no change be made In the interim. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@GraemeLeggett: The template was changed to Canadian English, which then shows up at the top of the talk page. I've been working on this off and on for a long time and there was no reason to change it in the past. @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: I've changed the template back but if you make a valid argument it is easily reverted. @Keith-264: feel free to discuss it here instead of just changing it. Enderwigginau (talk) 01:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know I needed your permission; the Canadians were the preponderant force; it's obvious that the article ought to be in CanEng. Are you sure that you aren't being a bit proprietorial? The article has a lot of good material in it as well as some surprising omissions but it's also repetitive, has lots of overlaps and relies too much on a narrow range of sources. Lack of sources, secondary ones in particular, bedevils Wiki milhist because people do the best with what they've got, which isn't always enough. I'm back at work and still trying to find time to get Jericho finished so I won't be doing much here for a while. Toodle pip! Keith-264 (talk) 09:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Reverted back to British English, after another revision to Canadian. A British Operation, commanded by British forces. Enderwigginau (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

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Removal of images

Some idiot on Wikicommons flagged my legally created map images, which Google maps allows, so I’m trying to get that reversed. 2001:8004:12C2:521D:90D5:B592:6D:65BB (talk) 20:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Enderwigginau (talk) 00:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Final sentence of lede

The final sentence of the lede represents the consensus about the lessons of the mission. The current wording reads:

The lessons of the Dieppe Raid influenced preparations for Allied seaborne operations in the Mediterranean and the Normandy landings (Operation Overlord).

I would suggest:

The failure of the raid confirmed the prime necessity to build the artificial harbours that enabled D-Day. Although other lessons were learned, these could not possibly have justified the cost in casualties, as the government claimed at the time for propaganda reasons. Valetude (talk) 02:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

That last bit about not justifying the costs in casualties needs sourcing. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Which part is in doubt? The low value of the so-called lessons? Or the claims by Churchill and Mountbatten that the deaths were not in vain? Valetude (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Update 1/2/21. Have re-redrafted final part of lede. Valetude (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

The lede needs to summarise the article, if the text can't be found in the body of the article, it needs citing. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

In the para starting 'The losses at Dieppe were claimed to be a necessary evil...', the Churchill claim carries a cite, and the Mountbatten quote is reproduced, though without a cite. So your 'cite needed' belongs after the Mountbatten quote in the main article. The lede is meant to summarise the article, as we are agreed, and should not usually carry cites. Valetude (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Moved the 'cite needed' accordingly. Valetude (talk) 05:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

more on German foreknowledge

I made this comment some years ago, but I am still interested. Many years ago I had a book, called, I think, Dieppe Dawn of Decision, or similar, on the raid. In it it discussed an advertisement that appeared in an English newspaper a short time before the raid. It said something like "remember holidays in Dieppe", and showed a fashionable woman picking roses near a beach. But the roses had barbed wire stems, and she was picking them with wire cutters. Has anyone a copy of the book, or can anyone confirm my recollections? If my recollections are correct, it seems at least interesting. Baska436 (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

There's no evidence from German documents that they had any foreknowledge. It went badly because it was badly organised. By paradox it worked out as a fine example of what not to do. This served the Allies well in 1944. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)